Ha! The Discord GDPR/Data Export thing reveals that it's running models to figure out what gender you are. If you go to Anyway, they seem to have this datapoint _over time_! Meaning you can make a graph of how male/female/NB you are according to discord, here is mine:
/activity/analytics/events-*.json
and grep for predicted_gender you get something like:{
"user_id": "282657081457115136",
"predicted_gender": "male",
"probability": 0.8413839340209961,
"prob_male": 0.8413839340209961,
"prob_female": 0.11650349199771881,
"prob_non_binary_gender_expansive": 0.04211260750889778,
"model_version": "2024-05-08T00:00:00.000000Z",
"day_pt": "2024-05-15 00:00:00 UTC"
}
astrid@tiny.tilde.we..
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alyx@frogs.lgbt
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@benjojo I tried requesting my data a couple days ago and when I got it back today, it unfortunately did not have my Assigned Gender At Discord :(
Nocta@octodon.social
replied 17 May 2024 09:45 +0000
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@benjojo Second time I hear of this but if I search "activity" or "events" in the XHR requests in the dev tool I have nothing? What's the complete url?
https://discord.com/activity/analytics/events-1.json ?
benjojo
replied 17 May 2024 09:47 +0000
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@Nocta It's in the "Request all of my data" ZIP file they email you (after a few days), go to
Settings>Privacy & Safety>Request All My Data
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follpvosten@karp.lol
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@benjojo oooh I would love to do something like that. just requested my data, do you have something like a oneliner to generate that graph? :D
MiaWinter@tech.lgbt
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benjojo
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@MiaWinter I suspect(?) there is some argument that so as long as they are calculating the data out of things like chat logs or whatever, rather than directly collecting that data, then it's fine.
MiaWinter@tech.lgbt
replied 17 May 2024 10:04 +0000
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@benjojo It certainly is them trying to get around it but one would have to challenge this shit (other social medias do it as well and idk if there is a ruling on that yet)
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@MiaWinter @benjojo whether legal or not, I’d rather not have AIs constantly being fed my conversations, especially when it’s trying to infer more information about me that I didn’t choose to disclose. Unfortunately until a reasonable discord alternative exists, I have no choice, and it’s not only discord, so it’s just inescapable
MiaWinter@tech.lgbt
replied 17 May 2024 10:15 +0000
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@KaitlynEthylia @benjojo tbh I just stopped using discord for anything but video calls... Don't really have a use for much else these days
green@transfem.socia..
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@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @benjojo@benjojo.co.uk maybe they only do it for US users? i have an old discord export from 2023, and it doesn't have this file or even the
analitics
MiaWinter@tech.lgbt
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ari@ice.arimelody.me
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mjdxp@fedi.nano.lgbt
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@benjojo requested it myself
if we're living in a dystopia where shit like this is normal, might as well have some fun with it
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ngons@mathstodon.xyz
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@benjojo good find! Quite silly to store these values at all, they could just compute them as needed. Of course, why on earth are they needed?
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Purple@woof.tech
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@benjojo My export doesn't have it, maybe because I have "Use data to improve Discord" and "Use data to personalise my Discord experience" off?
benjojo
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wrmsr@peering.social
replied 17 May 2024 10:49 +0000
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@benjojo That bar between March 1st and the 15th 👀 It really seemed to be suspicious of your message contents
benjojo
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@benjojo Slightly worried how this technology could be abused for surveillance in areas less welcoming to gender fluidity. We’re no longer in the ‘90’s-algorithms-have-no-consequences era :(
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@benjojo I have to say it is the most lib thing to use ai to predict a persons gender without their consent.. and then just slap a non-binary option at the bottom.
Nine@chitter.xyz
replied 17 May 2024 19:02 +0000
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@benjojo "Assigned Male at Discord" is not something I ever thought I'd imagine or even see myself typing but here we fuckin are.
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@benjojo It occurs to me that this probably constitutes medical data (because transition) and so falls into the Extra Spicy category of the GDPR
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benjojo
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benjojo
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benjojo
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@benjojo suprised it took like 20 days for my discord export to arrive. But it just did. So here's my Discord Gender-Graph ™️ For anyone who wants to generate graphs like that (I have a line graph instead, but yeah): https://paste.lol/thibaultmol/discord-gender-graph I can't explain what happened in March 2023 other than I went to Germany. Does Germany turn people fem?
benjojo
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benjojo
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It also seems that the same archive has a guess at how old you are too, Discord has gotten this entirely wrong, except one time.
{
"user_id": "282657081457115136",
"predicted_age": "35+",
"probability": 0.7547529339790344,
"prob_13_17": 0.0005852651665918529,
"prob_18_24": 0.014580278657376766,
"prob_25_34": 0.23008151352405548,
"prob_35_over": 0.7547529339790344,
"model_version": "2024-03-20T00:00:00.000000Z",
"day_pt": "2024-03-27 00:00:00 UTC"
}
arikb@mastodon.sdf.o..
replied 17 May 2024 10:06 +0000
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@benjojo following your toot I requested the data dump, it doesn't have the "/activity/analytics" folder. The readme file states that "you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities" so thank you to past me, for opting me out of this at some point though I forgot about it. I did notice a LOT of information about logins going back to 2018, and I wonder why Discord needs to store all of it. IP addresses and kernel versions included.
miki@dragonscave.spa..
replied 17 May 2024 10:08 +0000
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@benjojo hmm, this feels like very dangerous territory to step on. This might either open them up to inquiries like "how dare you show NSFW content to users you predict as being 13-17", or cause many misclassified adult users to be unable to see such content.
ln@hachyderm.io
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@benjojo i have all the personalisation and excess data collection turned off so i wonder if it still does this to me. have downloaded, will see!
FediThing@social.chi..
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LonM@social.vivaldi...
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@nickcolley @benjojo It's illegal to ask for data that isn't specifically required for delivering the service. I guess that's how they justify data prediction - just that it means they don't have to ask for it. Data protection allows to to request that any decisions made about you not be done via automated processes if you are not happy with the result. So I guess you could demand that discord have a human manually go through the data and decide your gender for you, and discord would be legally compelled to do so? If enough people demanded that it would certainly bog them down.
project1enigma@wande..
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@LonM @nickcolley @benjojo But GDPR also says you can't use data for new purposes other than the purpose of the original data gathering. So if messages are gathered for the purpose of delivering them, suddenly using them for such predictions should be illegal too.