@benjojo omg i love this, it's ridiculous

@benjojo the discord gender chart

@benjojo this feels illegal or something, wonder how they justify this over just asking people...

@nickcolley @benjojo

Could it be more creepy?

@nickcolley @benjojo It's illegal to ask for data that isn't specifically required for delivering the service. I guess that's how they justify data prediction - just that it means they don't have to ask for it.

Data protection allows to to request that any decisions made about you not be done via automated processes if you are not happy with the result. So I guess you could demand that discord have a human manually go through the data and decide your gender for you, and discord would be legally compelled to do so? If enough people demanded that it would certainly bog them down.

@LonM @nickcolley @benjojo But GDPR also says you can't use data for new purposes other than the purpose of the original data gathering. So if messages are gathered for the purpose of delivering them, suddenly using them for such predictions should be illegal too.

@project1enigma @LonM @benjojo Y'all are missing the broader point which is that you don't *have* to know people's gender to build a product like discord.

@benjojo that's a bit creepy, but undeniably kinda cool. :D

@benjojo I tried requesting my data a couple days ago and when I got it back today, it unfortunately did not have my Assigned Gender At Discord :(

@benjojo Second time I hear of this but if I search "activity" or "events" in the XHR requests in the dev tool I have nothing? What's the complete url?
https://discord.com/activity/analytics/events-1.json ?

@benjojo so, what happened in your life the second half of march 2023? :D

@benjojo oooh I would love to do something like that. just requested my data, do you have something like a oneliner to generate that graph? :D

@benjojo pretty sure that will violate GDPR

there is no reason to collect this data

@benjojo It certainly is them trying to get around it

but one would have to challenge this shit (other social medias do it as well and idk if there is a ruling on that yet)

@MiaWinter @benjojo whether legal or not, I’d rather not have AIs constantly being fed my conversations, especially when it’s trying to infer more information about me that I didn’t choose to disclose.

Unfortunately until a reasonable discord alternative exists, I have no choice, and it’s not only discord, so it’s just inescapable

@KaitlynEthylia @benjojo tbh I just stopped using discord for anything but video calls...

Don't really have a use for much else these days

@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @benjojo@benjojo.co.uk maybe they only do it for US users? i have an old discord export from 2023, and it doesn't have this file or even the analitics

@green @benjojo that would make sense

I have just requested my own data, let's see if it contains it

@MiaWinter @benjojo
Discord violating GDPR?
They would never /s

@benjojo excited to observe a sharp transition in my own dataset ​​

@benjojo tracking usage of :3

@benjojo requested it myself

if we're living in a dystopia where shit like this is normal, might as well have some fun with it

@benjojo how do you do that

@benjojo this is fine

@benjojo gender over time graph

gender over time graph

@benjojo Even Computer realises that gender is fluid, and that's saying something.

@benjojo have you looked at your conversations from the first of March yet? 😅

@benjojo

So many people will discover that according to AI, they are trans

@benjojo GAAD (Gender Assigned At Discord)

@benjojo good find! Quite silly to store these values at all, they could just compute them as needed. Of course, why on earth are they needed?

@benjojo most femme at #fosdem ?

@benjojo My export doesn't have it, maybe because I have "Use data to improve Discord" and "Use data to personalise my Discord experience" off?

@benjojo That bar between March 1st and the 15th 👀 It really seemed to be suspicious of your message contents

@benjojo Jesus Christ. I knew discord was a in the datamining business, but this is ridiculous.

@benjojo Slightly worried how this technology could be abused for surveillance in areas less welcoming to gender fluidity. We’re no longer in the ‘90’s-algorithms-have-no-consequences era :(

@benjojo Is the script to generate this visualization available somewhere? I would appreciate it

@benjojo What tHE FUCK

@benjojo they want to detect pedophiles or fakers?

@benjojo
What could possibly go wrong?

@benjojo There’s a lot of worthless precision in those probabilities.

@benjojo I have to say it is the most lib thing to use ai to predict a persons gender without their consent.. and then just slap a non-binary option at the bottom.

@benjojo "Assigned Male at Discord" is not something I ever thought I'd imagine or even see myself typing but here we fuckin are.

@benjojo
AFAD: assigned female at discord?

@benjojo@benjojo.co.uk I definitely wonder how my graph looks like, I requested the data

@benjojo It occurs to me that this probably constitutes medical data (because transition) and so falls into the Extra Spicy category of the GDPR

@benjojo @foone how many times are technologists gonna reinvent calipers

@sigmafactor @benjojo It's all about the bone structure!

@benjojo suprised it took like 20 days for my discord export to arrive. But it just did. So here's my Discord Gender-Graph ™️

For anyone who wants to generate graphs like that (I have a line graph instead, but yeah): https://paste.lol/thibaultmol/discord-gender-graph

I can't explain what happened in March 2023 other than I went to Germany. Does Germany turn people fem?

@benjojo following your toot I requested the data dump, it doesn't have the "/activity/analytics" folder.

The readme file states that "you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities" so thank you to past me, for opting me out of this at some point though I forgot about it.

I did notice a LOT of information about logins going back to 2018, and I wonder why Discord needs to store all of it. IP addresses and kernel versions included.

@benjojo hmm, this feels like very dangerous territory to step on. This might either open them up to inquiries like "how dare you show NSFW content to users you predict as being 13-17", or cause many misclassified adult users to be unable to see such content.

@miki @benjojo Instagram had to answer this exact question about content it flagged as potentially CSAM.

@benjojo i have all the personalisation and excess data collection turned off so i wonder if it still does this to me. have downloaded, will see!