I love the idea of the DoD using Matrix during what may turn out to be pretty eventful next few years. Coast Guard: We are seeing unknown boats on the western sea board
Air Force: [Unable to decrypt message]
Army: [Unable to decrypt message]
NATO: [Unable to decrypt message]
gudenau@fosstodon.or..
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:49 +0000
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benjojo
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:52 +0000
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@gudenau Sure, but encryption quirks isnt the only persistent bug in Matrix. DAG/Room sync/desync bugs could be extremely punishing if they strike at the wrong time.
famfo@chaos.social
replied 05 Dec 2024 20:53 +0000
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@benjojo lol they want to host a server on every ship to sync the room states together every once in a while Half of ships power being consumed by Synapse and Element
benjojo
replied 05 Dec 2024 21:18 +0000
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@famfo To be fair the ships already have a good amount of server/kit on board for radar and general IT ( I would bet they have a lot of floating Active Directory replicas in the fleet ), so a chat server surely can't be that much worse
jn@boopsnoot.de
replied 05 Dec 2024 21:21 +0000
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feuerrot@chaos.socia..
replied 05 Dec 2024 21:31 +0000
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benjojo
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:35 +0000
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If you are doing stuff outside of the "Instagram for cats" style of company. Please Please Please just use boring tech, I beg you all to just use boring tech where lives may matter (also the idea of Element becoming a part of the military–industrial complex is quite funny in some way)
benjojo
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:38 +0000
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Like, if your hacker trans girl or whatever is struggling to make your chat system exchange messages consistently and predictably, what hope does a single branch of defence with 200,000 troops have? It's not like the DoD has hoarded all of the experts in this area from the rest of the world, likely quite the opposite
latenightowl@social...
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:43 +0000
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@benjojo I keep wondering whether all those E2EE platforms make sense in a scale. Isn't it better to have regular but reliable chat servers that support federation, are plaintext over TLS, and you trust them because you trust the one that runs it?
benjojo
replied 05 Dec 2024 12:50 +0000
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@latenightowl Absolutely, In defence comms there is definitely a open question for do you take the risk/cost of encrypting something if it's tactically useless very rapidly (say, a UAV video feed looking down at a building you are about to blow up), as encryption/key management/etc has reliability impact in the literal battlefield. I assume the same thing exists in some (all be it, not all) uses for """tactical""" chat.
hikhvar@norden.socia..
replied 06 Dec 2024 05:28 +0000
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@benjojo @latenightowl on the other hand you want strong encryption as shown by the Turing Bomb vs Enigma.
mhoye@mastodon.socia..
replied 05 Dec 2024 15:40 +0000
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@benjojo when I was working on Mozilla's transition off IRC to Matrix, one surprising group that had questions for me was the US Navy. Turns out there's not a lot of cheap bandwidth available in the middle of the Pacific no matter who you are.