"I miss you, too" being suggested by machine just feels like the ultimate "mechanization of conversation" by allowing the outsourcing thought in what are intimate/vulnerable moments. I don't really know how to describe this, but it really does feel quite disheartening I have a Pixel 7, and google appears to have taken the stance that the feature that they put on gmail where they try and guess a appropriate sentence to reply with, should also be taken onto the keyboard on phones. And (IMO) there is some kind of use in this with email, as it turns out that many emails can simply just be responded with "OK"/"yes"/"go for it", and that's basically what the gmail interface excels at (I've never seen it attempt to suggest anything more complex). I've left this feature on my phone for a while a sort of "useless but i'm not going to get out of my way to disable it", until recently where I've got this suggested reply which kind of put a bunch of existential dread in to me. This being a google-ism of course, trying to disable this feature is quite difficult because you not only have to go and disable it on "gboard" but you also have to go and find a page about 5 taps into the settings page to actually stop the UI of the phone itself from trying to suggest the message as a tool tip (see pictured). I would be surprised if many people have. It all just seems... sterile. It's a cliche sure, but it does make me wonder for the future if we hand over moments like this over to word models of the average person replying.
benleb@mastodon.xyz
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:23 +0000
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benjojo
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:29 +0000
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@benleb the phone's battery performance over the years I've had it has been completely fine, I don't really understand this comment
benleb@mastodon.xyz
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:32 +0000
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@benjojo argh missed the „show full post“ button and just read the first 2 lines 🤦♀️ just ignore it 🤦♀️
bamboombibbitybop@ma..
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:23 +0000
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benjojo
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:28 +0000
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@bamboombibbitybop I have very little appetite for changing ROM's/custom firmware/etc. I did a whole load of iPhone jailbreaking stuff back in the day, and these days I really value a "mainline" and completely working phone. I completely understand that other people may be on different "arc"s when it comes to stuff like this (Graphene/Arch/etc). But I try and use my phone as little as possible and generally the stock firmware has always treated me pretty well. When it comes to quite a lot of things software wise i'm pretty much a baseline user of stuff, Ubuntu Desktop/Google Phone. It is typically easier to get help this way when stuff doesn't work as expected. ( From experience on both sides of this issue, running the most vanilla set up allows people to have confidence that your setup is not the one causing whatever bug you are encountering with software )
mynacol@social.mynac..
replied 05 Feb 2025 19:45 +0000
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@benjojo @bamboombibbitybop I completely understand this stance. I was also sick of (unofficial) LineageOS breaking hardware support or something else on every second update. Then I switched to GrapheneOS and it’s just a rock-solid, production-ready system once installed. And the install is straightforward and easy as well. No issues whatsoever with the system, including major Android updates. For app compatibility: you can install the unmodified Play Store and Services and they run in the normal app sandbox. This means all apps should work as well as on any other system, except of course those that use attestation (Play Integrity). There can always be papercuts with apps, but other than attestation it’s either resolved automatically (exploit protection compatibility settings) or with really fast updates. And attestation apps are fortunately still a minority, mostly Google Pay and some banking apps. And you get the most secure mobile OS with a minimalistic system and real privacy along the way 😃
mirabilos@toot.mirbs..
replied 05 Feb 2025 19:48 +0000
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@benjojo @bamboombibbitybop I try to rely on them as little as possible, but generally the stock firmware has been an absolute catastrophe, with the exception of the Eten Glofiish X650, whose WinMo6.1 was decent and not bloated. I abhor Android, and as soon as you need to rely on a proprietary äpp for something, an (ideally refurbished so they don’t earn extra money) iOS device, even without running Apple stuff yourself, is the smaller pain. (It also lets you disable vibration system-wide; hypersensitive neurospicy rejoice.) I was reasonably ok with the LiquidSmooth kitkat ROM on the HTC Desire, even got Munzee to run without the entire Google crap, but that didn’t last long, and Android 5 dropped a wholly different, much worse UI in an "eat it or sod off" way, and I’ve nothing but loathe for Android, even including AOSP, since. I do miss Suntimes and some c:geo features, but that’s it.
wolf480pl@mstdn.io
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:31 +0000
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@benjojo this is awful. The model says "I miss you, too" because that's the most "appropriate" thing to say in this situation, and that's what the other person likely wants to hear. I think you would have a hard time replying "I miss you, too" if you didn't mean it. I know I would. Google by offering this liar of an "assistant" implies that it thinks most people are such liars, and just tell others what they want to hear with no concern for truth or sincerity. I hope Google is wrong.
benjojo
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:36 +0000
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@wolf480pl I don't think i would anthropomorphise the model that much, after all it is just a bunch of numbers in the end. I think the wider problem that I am trying to make/fear is that is "nudging" people's conversations in a particular way. With i would have replied with "I miss you too" it's almost irrelevant! But because I have been pre-prompted with it in the moment of reading something like that (obviously I have not shown what the original message was) that's inevitably going to change my reply one way or another Grim stuff
klikini@pnw.zone
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:29 +0000
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@benjojo Apple calls this "writing tools" on their platforms and its existence is why I have Apple Intelligence disabled entirely. I got sick and tired of trite, corpo-speak responses appearing in my keyboard suggestions when texting friends. At least it's just Settings → Apple Intelligence & Siri → switch off, though.
dylanmccall@cosocial..
replied 05 Feb 2025 18:39 +0000
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@benjojo The thing that makes me so sad about this is, now, if somebody says "I miss you, too," there will be a part of your brain that questions it. This technology is eroding our trust in other peoples' humanity, which has *always* been a thing people take on faith. Who even are we if can't believe that other people are capable of inward thoughts and beliefs and free will?
someonetellmetosleep..
replied 05 Feb 2025 19:27 +0000
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@benjojo I had to go and disable that on my new phone just recently as I've never had suggestions on on my (non-gboard) keyboard, and the specific location it pops the suggested reply up at blocks most of the message you might hypothetically be replying to. It's like it's designed to make you engage with other humans as little as possible by literally interceding in and occluding your conversations
ds@infosec.exchange
replied 05 Feb 2025 19:48 +0000
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@benjojo less time spent on personal niceties means more time for productivity Edit: seriously though, I despise this kind of thing. It even leaves me feeling like maybe I was going to say that, but now I have to come up with something different because the suggested phrase is now "tainted" by being zero effort mechanical trash