@benjojo I use migadu.com for almost a year now, and so far haven't detected any deliverability issues.

@benjojo Done.

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https://www.goeuropean.org/outlook-and-gmail-alternatives

I know lot of people go to proton nowadays.

Hope you find a solution which works for you!

@kouett
Sources beg to differ that statement.

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@Piraya @benjojo imo andy yen's trump post was pretty clear, I know they have backpedaled.

@benjojo and for business-y email sending there's Sendgrid, which kinda works when you give them enough $$$, but then they can't reliably deliver 2FA SMS to me. Yes, they are owned by Twilio.

@benjojo fastmail are great! I’ve been with them for years and they have been stable as. The one possible caveat with them for you is that they are subject to Australia’s draconian natsec laws. Unavoidable for me so not as important a differentiator however

@benjojo @hailey oh, yikes.
Tbh I‘ve stuck with fastmail for a while as they seem to be the best I’ve seen at making the email Actually Just Work, despite their issues (US mail hosting, etc.), and dealing with Google or MS365 again is a hellish prospect.
But I would love to see someone come and do it better. (Props to Migadu for being a decent tiny option, my non profit org is with them, but not quite feature complete for my personal use.)

@hailey @benjojo unless I missed a recent change, I think they host solely in the US though, so it doesn’t get you to USA zero.

@benjojo I’ve a surprisingly good run with self hosting on linode/Akamai but.. it isn’t business and I don’t risk losing income if I have deliverability issues. I’m planning to move to hosting in house and ditching Akamai but expect I’ll need to use a trusted SMTP gateway to maintain deliverability. All that said there was a period of a couple of weeks when MS was blocking SMTP from most Linode subnets. The interesting thing was they didn’t seem to know why it was happening. Some automated system had done it and none of the folk a mere mortal can interact with seemed able to do anything about it. It simultaneously forces you to use one of the big providers whilst swearing never to use one of the big providers.

@benjojo plus some of the anti-spam deliverability issues are really bad. At least the issue I once had resulted in bounced email. Much worse if it’s silently dropped with MS do sometimes. Your emails never arrive but you don’t know. I loathe what these companies do in the name improving things.

@benjojo inbound email seems pretty reliable in my experience. All the big players will happily deliver to any MX host. It’s outbound to the big names where you can have all the trouble. Hence routing through a third party that’s accepted.

@benjojo have you looked at https://mailbox.org/en/ perhaps?

@benjojo not yet, but after looking through most options they seem to be the only reasonable option price-wise without ridiculous limits (see Migadu and daily in/out limits) - I want to test it out in a few months after my current workload ends

@benjojo @dragoonaethis I use them, haven't had any issues and Heinlein has been doing mail hosting for decades (back when I tried running my own mailserver in high-school I used his Postfix book to learn :D)

@benjojo @dragoonaethis fwiw, we used mailbox.org at denic (de cctld), and I remember being decently happy.

@benjojo I'm reasonably happy with Proton for email and VPN. Had a play with their basic office stuff and it was good enough for my needs.

@benjojo Self-hosting my e-mail for a quarter of a century(!) trying every combination of software and platform you can think of. Zimbra for a while was probably the best UI experience but needed a chunky VM. Multiple disappointments with Squirrelmail and Round cube etc too.
And despite all that I still ended up part-using Gmail due to Android's integrated calendar+contact sync which landed me in split-brain e-mail hell for a long time... 1/

@benjojo
About 6 years ago I moved to Fastmail and could not recommend them more!
Handles my sub-domain wildcard addressing perfectly too. (Every shop/login/sign-up I have made in 20+ years got a unique e-mail address, leading to some unbelievable observations of customer database exploitation and brokerage!).
Only criticism is that storage is probably quite stingy when compared to say an O365 small biz account at roughly the same price but I don't tend to store/archive much mail so 🤷
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@benjojo fwiw anecdata, I moved from Google Apps to Fastmail twoish ago and am very happy with it - it just works, they put a lot of care into everything from the webmail client to the live updating DNS instructions to the per-account-email-alias integration with 1Password to JMAP, no deliverability issues I’ve noticed and anti-spam is approximately as good as gmail.

Major downside is they have fewer lawyers fighting subpoenas than Google, and being in Australian/US legal jurisdiction.

@benjojo of course it is, marketing only cares about conversion rate after all