Despite the common consensus, self hosting your outbound email it's not impossible to do ( bgp.tools has been sending it's own outbound email since day one of having the ability to send email, while i have been doing a migration i have discovered that rspamd (for DKIM signing) was keeping it's own logs outside of journalctl, meaning they never got rotated (grrr) The upside of this log rotation failure is that I can give you this graph: The total email volume sent per month via bgp.tools I don't think it has been particularly hard (other than hotmail) to run this, and it means that I don't have to give customer emails to another 3rd party. I think the only struggle for a lot of people is that it's quite difficult to find "clean" or at least "boring" IPs to send out from. i suspect you probably couldn't replicate these results with Hetzner/Digital Ocean/etc without some serious fighting or luck (*) unless your service depends on sending to hotmail/live/msn emails, because that shit is impossible
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hisold@toot.io
replied 13 May 2026 21:27 +0000
in reply to: https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/B8xQhhL521D1k1dvmk
@benjojo I wonder his well this works from residential / business IPs (static of course 💀). As someone who has a Microslop email, I can confirm it's terrible sometimes. Confirmation emails for some services are just never received, not even in spam.
benjojo
replied 13 May 2026 22:07 +0000
in reply to: https://toot.io/users/hisold/statuses/116569386145494895
@hisold I don't think residential IPs have worked for a long time, but if depending on your ISP a business line should be fine Yeah bgp.tools just refuses to deal with Live/MSN/Hotmail/live.com emails because it's not worth the frustration for the user and me
Confirmation emails for some services are just never received, not even in spam.
domi@donotsta.re
replied 13 May 2026 16:57 +0000
in reply to: https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/B8xQhhL521D1k1dvmk
jonty@chaos.social
replied 13 May 2026 17:00 +0000
in reply to: https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/B8xQhhL521D1k1dvmk
@benjojo As I've said repeatedly: It's not hard until it is. If your IP is clean you're great, but the moment you/your range ends up on a list you are screwed for a very long time.
jonty@chaos.social
replied 13 May 2026 17:01 +0000
in reply to: https://chaos.social/users/jonty/statuses/116568333238689966
Also if you need to send to outlook addresses. Give up now and turn back.
benjojo
replied 13 May 2026 17:06 +0000
in reply to: https://chaos.social/users/jonty/statuses/116568337530135634
@jonty enterprise outlook has been zero problems, all of the Microsoft free mail is fucked, but that seems to be a wider policy on Microsoft's end at this point
olea@floss.social
replied 13 May 2026 18:16 +0000
in reply to: https://floss.social/users/olea/statuses/116568619357188892
@benjojo I read someone hosted everything at home but tunneled the LAN services to a hosted minimal (and cheap) server using wireguard *_*
benjojo
replied 13 May 2026 22:09 +0000
in reply to: https://floss.social/users/olea/statuses/116568631734116963
@olea Yeah this is not the case with bgp.tools, it has it's own IPs (for I was the only user of), so there has never been any history with these addresses