@lx Teams does not appear to have a dial out product that works like Skype, apart from the people who had yearly billing agreements with Skype (I didnt) and that ends in 2026

@kouett I'm specifically trying to avoid touching SIP/IP Phones.

I've never had a good experience with soft phones, and a IP phone for 1 hour sucks compared to my headphones and mic (hence why Skype Out rocks, because it's WebRTC)

It seems like sipgate.co.uk has a WebRTC phone product, except:

A) Sipgate.co.uk is £13/m
B) The website has a dark pattern where it makes it non obvious that there is a min of 2 users, so it's really £26/m

I spent maybe £2/m on Skype out before this

The fact that (B) happened, means that sipgate and it's sipgate.io "sister" service instantly feels like one of those products that will extort me. So "nope"

Argh, phones. I do not want to become phone people just to solve the 4 international calls that I do a month without getting roasted by my phone carrier (and also get a interface where it's comfortable to sit on a call for a hour)

@ch2500 I regularly call the US, My mobile carrier charges £4.21 a min, I often find myself sitting on hold for ~30 mins.

That would cost me £126.3 to do, not okay

@penguin42 @revk I mean, yeah, if A&A offered a WebRTC wrapper around their SIP service (I really don't want to go into the land of SIP/Phones/SoftPhones/getting screwed when I leak my SIP creds) then I would buy it in a instant, bonus if I can also do that Skype feature where it has the caller ID of my mobile like skype does for me

It's insane that all phone stuff is just really meh, and skype was the only one that had a non awful service (in both UX and Price) for this

What is kind of silly is that I already pay some small amount of Twilio numbers (for bgp.tools's signal/telegram number etc), but twilio doesnt seem to have a simple "Web RTC Dial Pad" page, even if just for ""debugging"". Such a missed opportunity